No, it’s about respectful communication. Criticize ideas, not people, basically. Just because there were misunderstandings in communication does not mean that people who tried to help and spent their volunteer time to answer had any intentions like “beating around the bush”. Mind your language.
And someone saying I am “obsessing” over terminology, that’s an idea they are criticizing rather than a person, is it? Don’t worry, I won’t wait for an answer as you’re apparently avoiding that one.
No response on the fairness issue at all. It’s ok, I get it. It’s just me who needs to mind my language, nobody else, point taken (once again without being directly answered, your actions spoke loud enough anyway)
FWIW: I am quite sure that anyone of sound mind who is asked to read this thread with no prior knowledge, would agree that “beating around the bush” was not only fair and accurate, it was the NICER of the two possibilities (the other being that people were actually dishonest and avoiding giving the true answer of “No”. And before you pull out the feelings truncheon again, no that is NOT an accusation, though I think some might look at it that way even if I don’t).
From start to finish I have been explicit and crystal clear that I do not want to use what I called the ‘hack’ of the “local folders” creation process. It wasn’t hidden, badly explained, too subtle, it was clear from the start…
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My FIRST post said I don’t want to create a local account.
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My SECOND post said I don’t want to create a local account.
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You then asked me to create a local account! And frustratingly decided to tell me “there is no reason not to do that at all”. What, apart from my prior statements that I don’t WANT to, you mean?! (“Be empathetic” has its own bullet point in your community guidelines, maybe you should read it?)
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I (understandably in my opinion) then clarify much more strongly (but politely) AGAIN that I do not WANT to do that. Many would have been somewhat rude at that point, and I was tempted as it was somewhat ignorant (by definition) of you to suggest I do what I have repeatedly stated I don’t want to. But I don’t want to cause offence especially to volunteers, even they frustrate me by ignoring my comments and tell me do exactly that which I’ve said I don’t want to do.
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You then (remarkably) suggest I adjust my ‘thinking’ (in order to get me to do what I have already said in OP and several times by now what I do not want to do - maybe another read of “Be empathetic” is called for). You said: "Think of “local account” as a metaphor for “a place where your local emails are” if that makes you happier?" - That came across as somewhat patronising, like I needed to think different to overcome my desire and ultimately do what YOU want rather than what I want!
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POC tells me I am ‘obsessing’ over terminology - no I am ‘obsessing’ over nobody LISTENING to me. And a bunch of spurious unwanted folders is not just about terminology, it’s a real folder structure I have already said I don’t want, and they can’t be deleted.
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I make one final attempt to double-check, asking again if I can create local folders without creating local account. poc says yes and claims this has already been answered (suggesting I am not reading, or I’m ignorant in some way). It had been answered, WRONGLY. Hence my double-checking. As you finally confirm, NO it can’t be done, hence the reason you tried to persuade (or brow beat, is how it felt) me into just doing what you want, against my own expressed wishes, and create the local account.
For me to describe this experience with a phrase like “beating around the bush” is neither insulting nor unfair.
As already said, my question was clear enough and needed a reply with nothing more than:
“Evolution can provide the local folders functionality yes, but not in the normal way it’s offered in mail progams you mentioned or in the way you describe. No you can’t do it without going through the local account creation process, but you can just enter fake details so it’s not a real live account, and put up with those folders it creates, then nest your own folders into/under those.”
To which I would have replied:
“Thanks, that’s what I was told elsewhere but just wanted to check that was the case. Thanks for your time but it’s not for me.”.
To any claim of my being inappropriate or rude in some way, I can easily bat that back at ya. I’ve had my comments releatedly ignored, been accused of obsessing (with nobody coming to my defence or warning anyone about that), been told to adjust my thinking and do that which I don’t want to do… but yeah, when I express my frustration at it, I am the one who needs a bashing about conduct. Whatever, not the first time I’ve seen this stuff and won’t be the last.
Ho hum. I learned a lot from this experience nonetheless.
Cheers all.
as you’re apparently avoiding that one.
Such sentences are exactly the behavior that we do not welcome here.
Dear @freddiecastro you lost so many time writing this. Sorry, but in Evolution you can do waht you need to do. In fact Evolution was born about the time Outlook was if I recall correctly, I am using it from 1998-2000 if I recall correctly and I have about 64GB of emails in my homedit, separated under many nested folders and each year I do a new folder for each of my companies. All email is under .local/share/evolution/mail and I can access it from within evolution or directly with a file manager if needed, but it does not need to set up anything. You start evolution and you can start creating your folders as needed. Even to access the data you do not need to be online.
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I insist that I was correct in my assertion that you do not need to
create a local folder, which is what I said several times. I see no
point in continuing this, especially as you have apparently decided not
to use Evolution.
poc
Hi,
just for the completeness, the ancient user documentation:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/intro-main-window.html.en
and the snapshot from the current version of evo (which can be accessed
in Help->Contents when the help files are installed together with
evolution; some distros can split it into a separate package, like
“evolution-help”):
shows there is an “On This Computer” part of the Mail view (even each
view, not only Mail), which is what you are looking for. This essential
thing is available out of the box, regardless the false assumptions
repeated here countless times that Evolution doesn’t have it. It does.
No idea why the experienced users you asked elsewhere told you anything
about “creating local accounts”, that’s not needed and never was. Users
not interested in the “On This Computer” folders/mails can hide it from
the folder tree, but they cannot remove it, it’s still hidden under the
hood.
About importing the mails from Mac, it depends what format they store
it in. Standard formats like mbox or Maildir can be imported directly,
other formats would require export or conversion to the standard
format. You’d need that for any other-than-Mac client too, I suppose.
Bye,
Milan
anon89350786,
BTW am NON-Technical…
IF you wish to connect to a remote email account
Self re-reads frequently, it helps to re-read:
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-boxes/stable/connect.html
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